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HeavenEarth Conversations: Jaxen Margason
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Welcome to a special episode of the Heaven and Earth Church podcast, where Brad Miller visits with Jaxen Margason, a valued member of the church community. This heartfelt and candid conversation explores Jaxen life journey, his experiences with faith and acceptance, and what keeps him coming back to Heaven and Earth Church. Whether you’re new to the community or searching for a place to belong, this episode offers an authentic glimpse into how church can be a sustaining, welcoming part of life.
Episode Summary
The episode opens with Brad greeting listeners and introducing Jaxen. Raised in Franklin, Jaxen shares memories of a supportive yet challenging upbringing, including family dynamics shaped by his father's coming out and his parents' divorce. Despite obstacles, Jaxen found belonging through school athletics and involvement in campus ministries at Vincennes and the University of Southern Indiana.
A significant part of the discussion centers on Jaxen’s journey as a trans man (04:09), including the process of coming out, the complexities of family acceptance, and the role faith communities have played—both positive and negative. Jaxen candidly discusses the importance of pronouns, the grace required when others make mistakes, and the special consideration he extends to elderly residents at his workplace.
Jaxens professional life as a relief night cook at Aspen Trace surfaces as a point of stability and fulfillment, demonstrating the importance of supportive work environments for LGBTQ+ individuals (08:33). The discussion then shifts to Jackson’s search for an inclusive church. He describes using Google to find LGBT-friendly congregations, leading him to Heaven and Earth Church (09:26). Jaxen outlines how he was welcomed by church members and leaders, including Pastor Ross Stackhouse, and how this acceptance was vital for him, especially as someone with autism and ADHD.
Through engaging worship styles, intentional inclusion, and opportunities for deeper connection, Jaxen found a spiritual home that felt authentically welcoming. Social gatherings and small group experiences have helped him open up, connecting him more to the congregation. Importantly, Jaxen shares that HeavenEarth Church’s philosophy—“If you feel like you don’t fit in at church, you fit in here”—really rings true for him (16:15).
The episode concludes with reflections on what it means to make a lasting impact in the community, and Jaxen encourages listeners: “Come as you are” (22:44), emphasizing that acceptance and grace are at the heart of this faith community.
Three Key Takeaways
1. Inclusion and Acceptance Are Foundational
Jaxens story illustrates the impact of intentional inclusivity. The welcoming environment at Heaven and Earth Church, where gender identity is respected and diversity is embraced, made a profound difference in Jaxen’s spiritual and personal life. Churches rooted in unconditional grace can become safe havens for those who often feel marginalized elsewhere.
2. Authentic Relationships Matter
Connection goes beyond just being present; it’s about being known. Jaxen’s experiences with individuals who took time to learn about his life and interests fostered genuine belonging (11:51). The episode highlights that real fellowship grows out of listening, shared stories, and mutual respect.
3. Faith Communities Can Be Lifelines
Support extends beyond Sunday services—like when Pastor Ross Stackhouse checked in on Jaxen after a car accident (18:28). A faith community that is attentive and caring in everyday struggles makes a lasting impact. Jaxen’s commitment to inviting others to church, especially those who may be seeking support, underscores this lifeline effect.
For anyone searching for belonging or struggling with acceptance, Jaxen’s journey shows that “come as you are” can be a lived reality, not just a slogan. Heaven and Earth Church continues to strive toward being a church where everyone truly fits in.
Transcript
Hello, good people, and welcome to the Heaven and Earth Church podcast. This is the church where we look to offer to be a make a lasting impact in our community. I'm the producer of the podcast. My name is Brad Miller. And in this podcast, we love to talk to people who have a connection with Heaven, Earth Church and have something to share and about their lives and what they're all about. And for you, the good folks who are listening in on this too, just get to know these good folks and a little bit closer. And today we're just really happy to have Jaxsen Margason with us here on the podcast. Jaxsen, welcome to our conversation.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Hey, my friend.
Jaxen Margason [:Thank you.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah, well, Jaxsen, let's just kind of start. Start here. Tell us a little bit about where you're from, what's hometown for you.
Jaxen Margason [:I grew up in Franklin.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, very good. So tell a little bit about growing up in Franklin. Was it a overall good experience? Did you have some challenges? Tell me a little bit about what went on there with you.
Jaxen Margason [:It was good. In high school, I was part of the girls' basketball team and the baseball team.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:So like, half the school knew who I was. I knew about half who they were. So, yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So, yeah, overall good experience with those athletic endeavors, among other things that you did. So that's good. And then, so growing up in Franklin was just. Tell me a little about home life, your parents, any siblings, anything along that line.
Jaxen Margason [:I have a little sister that I grew up with and then an older half brother.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And then when I was about. In eighth grade, my parents got divorced because my dad came out as gay.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay. And so that had a profound impact on your family, I'm sure. Right?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah. Because eventually my mom, we had to move our house I was growing up in.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah.
Jaxen Margason [:To a smaller house.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, well, so there were some things there that were part of growing up. There were some challenges. It sounds. It sounds like. Was church or anything along that line a part of your life growing up there in Franklin?
Jaxen Margason [:The first two years of high school, I went to an Assemblies of God church in Franklin.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And then I stopped going because I had baseball games.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:On Fridays, on Wednesdays when we had youth group.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah.
Jaxen Margason [:Because my mom couldn't take me on Sunday mornings because she had to work.
Dr. Brad Miller [:All right, so you had some experience with that and kind of life happened, right? Yep, life happened. Well, tell me about then. About. About life after high school. I understand you went on to college and did some things there. Tell a little bit about what you. About that experience.
Jaxen Margason [:I went to Vincennes and then the University of Southern Indiana.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And I was a part of their. Both their campus ministries.
Dr. Brad Miller [:All right, so tell me about that. Tell me, was that a good experience for you? Tell me how you experienced campus ministries.
Jaxen Margason [:At Vincennes, I went three times a week because we had a Tuesday Bible study. Thursday we had, like, worship, and then Sunday they had main worship.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And then at USI, we met once a week. And then we also had discipleship group in that.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So you're pretty involved with campus ministries.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So tell me a good thing. I was involved a little with campus ministry. In fact, I was involved with campus ministry at USI quite a long time ago because I lived there in Evansville. But tell me a little bit. What was something good about that that was kind of spoken to your life at that time that you kind of needed at that time?
Jaxen Margason [:When I went to USI, my campus minister, Keller, actually reached out to somebody else to figure out how to talk to me because of. I'm trans.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:So he didn't know how to talk to me, and I gave him a new perspective on life.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay. So you mentioned there that you were making this transition as a trans person, and so that happened during college, basically. I'm sure some of it was going on before that. But tell me a little bit about. Just a little bit about whatever you feel comfortable sharing about that kind of that decision, that process for you.
Jaxen Margason [:So I came out the summer after my first year of college, and my parents were like, oh, we know. I guess I told my mom when I was five, I was going to grow up, be a boy.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And I've only socially transitioned because I'm terrified of needles.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:But when I got to UC, I could be Jackson. I'd have to be anybody else because I was slowly transitioning one of the Vincents.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:So being Jackson was like a relief. And then I'd be somebody else, like two people.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So your name, your name, your birth name was different than Jackson, right?
Jaxen Margason [:Yes.
Dr. Brad Miller [:And so you go by Jackson now, and you prefer the pronouns he, him, and that's. You live your life now, right?
Jaxen Margason [:Yep.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So tell me just a little bit of. And what again, what have you for sharing kind of how that is going, how, you know you're in adult life now and how is that? How has life been for you overall? And you work in the. In the. In the health. In the healthcare facility. I understand. So. So tell a little bit about that.
Jaxen Margason [:So I have people, they will call me by my pronouns, and if they don't know I'll tell them, and they'll say, oh, I'm sorry. They'll correct themselves.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:Some of my residents at work still call me she pronouns, which I'm fine with that, because depending on their level of mental capacity, they don't understand.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah.
Jaxen Margason [:And they're older, and I respect them. I'm in their house.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. So it sounds like a little bit of grace on your part and a little bit of grace on other people's part in terms of choosing to understand has been your experience.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:For the most part. Has that gone okay? Have you been able to kind of navigate life that. That way?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, good, good, good. And you don't have to go any details on this, but have you had any kind of negative experiences where you've had to be. Pretty uncomfortable situation? You don't have to go in detail if you don't. If you don't want to.
Jaxen Margason [:I've been at churches where they're like, we don't respect. We respect you, but we don't respect what you're doing.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:Because people think it's a sin. Like, I've had friends because I was part of our LGBT club at USI.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:I literally told them where I was going after I went to my group for. With my campus ministry. I told them, you all can come. They're like, no, the church has hurt us so bad.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. So in your group of folks, you were with your peers, as it were, many of them have had some bad experiences.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah. And depending on the church you go to, you'll have bad experiences because depending on what they believe.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah.
Jaxen Margason [:Like, I have. I haven't even told, like, some of my family.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:They figured it out. If they're on Facebook or something, change my name.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Right.
Jaxen Margason [:But I've seen how they acted toward my dad, so I don't want that retaliation, too.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. So just paint some painful moments, right?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. So tell me a little bit about. You had said you had some unfortunate kind of awkward experiences in church, and so tell me a little bit about how that went in terms of. Then did you decide to kind of try to tough it out, so to speak, in church in those churches? Or did you. Did you. Did you cause you to kind of want to withdraw from church a bit about how that experience went for you.
Jaxen Margason [:So I kind of toughed it out because I knew I had a way there because I'd have friends take me with them.
Dr. Brad Miller [:I see. But you need a ride?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:An actual ride. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you kind of toughed it out and kind of decided you did this is it was important enough to you to go to church.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:And to be with your friends as you did it anyhow, right?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, is that. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but is that a fair kind of understanding of what you were doing?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, well, tell me a little bit, Jackson, about you said you, you know, you work. Tell me about your workplace and that kind of thing and you've been there for a while. Tell us about how that. That goes.
Jaxen Margason [:I've been at Aspen Trace for. It'll be 11 years next month.
Dr. Brad Miller [:And what kind of things do you do there?
Jaxen Margason [:I'm a relief night cook and I also serve on our h.a.l.s.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, so tell me how's. How's that going? Are. Did you enjoy that or has that been. Tell me. Good. Something good about that experience?
Jaxen Margason [:It was my college job and now I just love it so much I haven't left.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, so you have some good experiences with the residents there and.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:That's awesome. That's awesome. So. Yeah. Well, that's. I'm glad. Glad to hear that. And.
Dr. Brad Miller [:And as far as your workplace, your supervisors and things like that, that's going pretty good.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Good, good, good, good. Well, Jaxsen, tell me a bit about how you kind of got connected or at least learned about Heaven Earth Church in the first place. How did this place, this church get on your radar?
Jaxen Margason [:I was looking for LGBT friendly churches near my workplace.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And this one just happened to pop up. And then I checked out if you United Methodist churches were LGBT friendly, and they were, so I decided to come here.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So you did a search, like a Google search or something like that. Okay, well, I'm just curious now because I haven't done that. When you did a Google search and you actually typed in those parameters, that's what popped up.
Jaxen Margason [:Mm.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay. Well that. That's awesome. So it came on your radar then. So tell a little bit of then about some of your first experiences. Actually checking it out. Was that a. Were you ready to go? Was it a nerve wracking experience? Just tell me some first impressions.
Jaxen Margason [:Well, I watched a couple online and then I came.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And then I liked it. Cause it was. Ross does it differently than what I'm used to.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:He actually opens it up for everybody to ask questions or give their feedback.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. So at about. How long have you been with us here at Heavenward Church?
Jaxen Margason [:I started coming at the end of October last year.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay. So almost a year then. You've been with us so There you go. So after those first few experiences here with us, what did you have any kind of. For lack of a better term, I'll call it an aha. Moment or moment. You kind of said, okay, I'm not just checking this out. I kind of feel like this is a place for me.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Was any kind of a moment like
Jaxen Margason [:that when everybody just started introducing themselves and just started talking to me. Like, for me, I have autism, so I don't like to talk to people.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:I'm very much, like, stay to myself. And so it get me out of my shell a little bit.
Dr. Brad Miller [:All right. So some people came to you.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So you weren't kind of forced to, as it were, to insert yourself into something you were. Although, you know, you had to take the risk to come in the first place. You people. You found that people were accepting of you. Yeah. As you are. Right.
Jaxen Margason [:Yep.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So was that pretty important to you?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, so let me ask you, can you take. You don't have to give names here, but was there any particular person or any situation you remember as someone who just kind of merely made you feel kind of warm and welcome?
Jaxen Margason [:Emily and Justin. Well, Rachel and Justin. When I see them, they'll ask me, like, if I've gone to, like, state parks or anything, because I'd love to go outside and go camping.
Dr. Brad Miller [:All right.
Jaxen Margason [:Or, like, I'll talk to them about, like, camping trips I'm planning or something
Dr. Brad Miller [:so they know about you and your personal life, too. That kind of thing. Well, good. Well, let's go there for a second, then. Tell me about camping and outdoor life. How'd you get connected to that type of thing?
Jaxen Margason [:My parents would take us camping every summer, like, three times.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:If we didn't go to the beach.
Dr. Brad Miller [:All right, so you went what state parks and this type of thing.
Jaxen Margason [:We would usually go to Brown County, Spring Mill, or Clifty.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay, very good. So you like the camping and the trails and that type of thing?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So when you go now, do you go on your own? You go with a group of friends or this type of thing?
Jaxen Margason [:In October? I'm going by myself for a week.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Really? Awesome. You got a trip all planned out. Where are you going and everything?
Jaxen Margason [:I'm going to Lincoln State Park.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Oh, awesome. Awesome. I'm familiar with that state park. I used to live pretty close to there in a town called Huntingburg. Yeah. Very good. Well, that's awesome. Well, let's get back into.
Dr. Brad Miller [:I'm interested. Now, you mentioned a little bit in terms of. Terms of heaven or Church. Now, you mentioned about how you got connected here in the first place. You did a Google search and the church popped up and you decided to give it a try about October of last year, 2023. And then here you are. And then you had some moments when some people took an interest in you and welcomed you. And not only about, you know, hey, glad to see you, but also knew a little bit about your.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Your interest, your outdoor interest and that kind of thing. So that's important. But I want to know now, what keeps you here? What keeps you here?
Jaxen Margason [:No one cares about my gender identity here. And it's conveniently close to work because I work. Have to go to work every other Sunday after here.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah.
Jaxen Margason [:And I can stay engaged because other churches I would fall asleep, but Ross keeps it to where I can stay awake.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Well, tell me more about that. How does Pastor Ross and the other things happen in worship? How does it, as you say, keep you awake? What does that mean for you?
Jaxen Margason [:So I lose focus after like 15 to 20 minutes.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay. This part of the autism, my ADHD. ADHD. Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:So Ross will. All the times he asks us for input and stuff, it's different voices.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:So the different voices help keep me in tune.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:So it's not one person just talking all the time.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. So when other people apart, we like to call it the conversation here. So when we do our worship experiences, we invite you, those who are listening in, to go, to listen, to listen or watch one of the messages here on the. On the podcast. It is a big part of it is conversation back and forth, Q and A, as it were. But so that part of things keeps you engaged, right?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. Well, tell me a little bit about. Are you involved with anything else in the life of the church? You got to know people in other activities or other things going on.
Jaxen Margason [:I went to the Halloween.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And that was the first thing I went to. And then I went to the get to know you last month.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay. So the help, we think it was the out in the park thing we had. Okay, so tell me about those experiences because that kind of. I know for folks who deal with autism, ADHD and other challenges, sometimes doing something like that's a bit of a stretch too. So how do those social type events go for you?
Jaxen Margason [:It went good because there I talked to Mikey.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And I talked to some other people.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So you got to know Mikey a little bit.
Jaxen Margason [:Yep.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. And Mikey is one of the people on our church who's also involved with children's ministry, so. Very good, very good. So you develop a little bit of one on one and smaller group kind of deal.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Well, that's. That's awesome. Well, Jackson, one of the things we like to say here, one of the models of the church, it's on the church website and other places, is basically if you feel like you don't fit in church, you fit in here. I want to ask you, Jackson, do you think that statement is true and if so, how?
Jaxen Margason [:I think it's true because Russ has called it like the misfit toys.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:And if I go to a different church, I'm literally like probably the only person in there that's an openly out person. And they probably don't want me there to begin with. But here no one cares.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. Okay. So you feel like if you're talking about misfits in this, do you fit in that type of analogy works for you.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Well, that's awesome. That's awesome. One of the other things we like to say here, Jackson, is that Heavenor Church, part of the mission statement of the church is to make a lasting impact in our community. And so what does that statement mean to you? Is it again, is it true? And if so, how's that one true?
Jaxen Margason [:I think it's true because a couple weeks ago, Ross brought in somebody from an organization and how we help them. So we're helping other people that just don't come to church here. We're helping out the community.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Well, good. Well, Jackson, I want to ask, tell me kind of have you mentioned about you felt welcome here now and that kind of thing. Have you had any kind of moments? I'll just call them a God moment where you kind of felt that God was doing something in your life out of some experience you had here at Heavenor Church that kind of warmed your heart or made you feel that something was going on here that was of a spiritual nature. Anything along that line.
Jaxen Margason [:So March 1st, I was on my way to church and I wrecked my car.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Oh, my goodness.
Jaxen Margason [:In front of another church. And the third person I text was Ross. Like, hey, I can't come to church because I just wrecked my car. And he texted me at church and asked me if I was okay and text me like a couple days. And I knew this had to be the place because, yeah, the pastor went on this way to make sure I was still fine.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah.
Jaxen Margason [:Even while he was probably given a sermon.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. Yeah. Well, you notice that every once in a while. In fact, even in today's service, there was a mention about a person in the hospital just got out of the hospital. So that, that, that's a, that's an awesome thing. So you felt, it sounds to me in that experience you kind of felt some love and attention at a moment of crisis for you, even when you knew that other things were happening.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:So that must make you feel pretty good.
Jaxen Margason [:Did.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Yeah. Kind of give you a little tingle up the spine. What are you going to call it? Some just good feeling. That's awesome. Well, Jackson, let me ask you this one or two other things here and then, and, and that has to do with helping Heaven Earth Church to be a welcoming, inviting place to all people and how your experience can be a part of helping to spread that news. My guess, you've mentioned that you in college and other times you were with LGBTQ organizations and other organizations of like minded or similar experience people. And, and it's been my experience that, you know, people going through whatever things in life, they kind of gravitate towards other people having a similar experience. And one of the places other people can find a place to live out their life is church when it is doing its best.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Let me ask you if you've had people in your life who kind of a part of your life in one form, another, either one of these or groups you're part of who may have had some issue in life that they decided to confide in Jackson about. It could be LGBTQ issues or gender related issues, but also it could be like I'm having trouble on the job or I got, you know, I'm in debt or I wrecked my car or whatever it would be, or they have some issue in life or dealing with family matters or relationships and they've confided in you a little bit and you know, they said, you know, Jack's not, I, I want to, you know, shared with life with you. I assume that you've had some of these type of experiences. Would you feel comfortable, Jackson, as a part of helping that person because you have that heart about you. I know you that you do. Would you be feel comfortable Jackson, and being saying, hey, my friend, as a part of our relationship, you might like checking out, Heaven Earth Church. You might find that could be a part of a response to them. Do you think you would be feel comfortable in inviting somebody here to church?
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah, because last two weeks ago I had to pick my sister up because we were taking our nieces to the children's museum. I was like, Caitlyn, you can come in. She sat in the car.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:But she didn't want to Come in.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Okay.
Jaxen Margason [:I'm like, because I got to pick you up before I go to church.
Dr. Brad Miller [:All right.
Jaxen Margason [:And then when I was in college, I had an open invitation to my LGBT group. I was like, you all can come with me. Did any of them take me up on that offer? No, but I gave them that option. I'm not going to force it down someone's throat.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Of course not. But you feel comfortable. You'd feel comfortable inviting someone to heaven or church.
Jaxen Margason [:Yeah.
Dr. Brad Miller [:That is confided in you. Yeah. That's awesome to hear. Well, Jackson, it's been a pleasure being with you here today. Is there anything. Let's just say there's someone listening to us today. Maybe they are going through some gender issues or some other life crises or other things in life that maybe you can resonate with or relate to, or maybe they're dealing with family situations that are challenging. As you mentioned here as well, there's anything that you would want to share with that person about heaven or church, about they might want to make this a part of their experience or anything you'd like to share.
Jaxen Margason [:Come as you are. Because I came as who I was and people were accepting of it. So just easy. Just come as you are.
Dr. Brad Miller [:Come as you are. That's a great, great way of putting things. Well, Jackson, you are an awesome person, and we are certainly thrilled to have you a part here of the Heaven and Earth Church community, and it's just great to. To have you participate in part of the life of life of the church and you add a lot. And I just thank you for stepping forward here today, being part of our Heaven and Earth Church podcast. I know to share with our listeners that we'd love to have you come join us. And if you come to join us here at Heaven and Earth Church, I'll be here. My name is Brad Miller, and I'll be here to be helpful to you.
Dr. Brad Miller [:But moreover, people like Jackson, he's a great person who's here to be helpful to you as well and welcoming. Now, you're a little bit shy, but I've seen you talking to people here. So if someone came, you'd be willing to be helpful to them, right? Yeah, absolutely. But there's many, many other people here to be helpful to you and inviting and treat you with grace. And as we like to say, we are a church that if you feel like you don't fit in church, you fit in here. So if you'd like to check us out in person, our services, our conversation, we like to call it, or 9:30am Eastern time every Sunday morning. Our main campus is on Main street, near the corner of Main street and Highway 31 in Whiteland, Indiana, right across the street from Whiteland High School. And so you can check us out in person here at 9:30am on Sunday mornings.
Dr. Brad Miller [:In person. But everything we do is on video here on YouTube and other places. And that is live streamed. And also then on the recording and here on the podcast, you can learn about many, many people in the life of the church. We're glad you're here with us. So again, we say thank you, part of the Heaven & Earth Church podcast. Thank you for Jaxsen Margason, for being with us here today. And we look forward to seeing you again here at Heaven & Earth Church, the church which looks to make a lasting impact in our community.
